Copcarlopnik

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 06/17/2014 at 12:58 • Filed to: copcarlopnik

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FBI Police? Sure, why not. Is that a license plate scanner on the trunk of the Charger? These were shot outside the FBI headquarters in DC.

thebigbossyboss > ttyymmnn 06/17/2014 at 13:01

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Can I ask a foreigner question? What is the FBI's mandate?

Is it responsible for all those places without a municipal/county/state force? It seems like that should be what it does...but I don't that is what it does.

Edit: Actually forget it, Ill just google it haha.

505Turbeaux > ttyymmnn 06/17/2014 at 13:01

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why does this look like a fake cop car? So someone is actually policing the police these days?

ttyymmnn > thebigbossyboss 06/17/2014 at 13:03

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I'm not entirely sure. I believe they are supposed to be more of an investigatory agency than a day-to-day policing agency. But they certainly have powers of arrest. My guess is that the FBI Police are more of a protection force for the FBI building. Walking around DC, I was amazed by the numbers of private security firms providing protection for US Government facilities. Perhaps the FBI likes to keep it in-house.

mcseanerson > thebigbossyboss 06/17/2014 at 13:04

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FBI has more to do with the type of crime than Jurisdiction. It's so criminals can be pursued across multiple jurisdictions by the same group instead of a bunch of individual police forces with only pieces of the information.

ttyymmnn > thebigbossyboss 06/17/2014 at 13:05

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From Wikipedia:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is a governmental agency belonging to the United States Department of Justice that serves as both a federal criminal investigative body and an internal intelligence agency (counterintelligence). Also, it is the government agency responsible for investigating crimes on Native American reservations in the United States under the Major Crimes Act. The FBI has investigative jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal crime.

So it's basically an internal intelligence agency, and one that is able to investigate and arrest those who break federal laws. They usually do not wear an official uniform.

thebigbossyboss > ttyymmnn 06/17/2014 at 13:10

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Interesting. Canada's RCMP used to do both the role of the CIA and the FBI (ie foreign and domestic intelligence) but then (to make a pretty long story rather short) The RCMP got caught conducting unlawful activities in their role as intelligence gather-ers and then a civilian agency (CSIS) was formed taking over intelligence gathering for both domestic and foreign operations, although the army still conducts it's own intelligence for it's operations.

Snooder87 > thebigbossyboss 06/17/2014 at 13:13

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The US is a federal system, so each state has its own police force with jurisdiction only over people and activity within that state. Often there are reciprocal agreements allowing neighboring states to help each other out, but legally pursuing a criminal across state lines is like chasing someone who fled to mexico.

This wasn't a problem until the interstate transport system and cars meant that you had people crossing state lines pretty much every time they committed a crime. So the FBI was created to prosecute those kinds of criminals.

thebigbossyboss > Snooder87 06/17/2014 at 13:15

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Cool thanks! In Canada this is less of a problem for a lot of places. Because big. "Hurry up with the bank heist it's gonna take us 26 hours to cross into Manitoba". Lol.

ttyymmnn > thebigbossyboss 06/17/2014 at 13:16

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Also interesting is that the operation to capture the alleged leader of the Benghazi embassy attack was carried out by US Special Forces in cooperation with the FBI. I imagine the FBI was responsible for the investigation since the attack took place on sovereign US soil in Libya. Post-9/11, though, the US seems to have blurred the lines between federal and local policing, with the Feds claiming more and more turf in local law enforcement, or at least expanding their reach into states and cities. I don't think the US is all that far away from a de facto federal police force, even though it is technically forbidden by the Constitution. Looks like some good information here , though I haven't read it all.

mcseanerson > thebigbossyboss 06/17/2014 at 13:16

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NSA is more like CIA for domestic intelligence

thebigbossyboss > mcseanerson 06/17/2014 at 13:18

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True. Man you americans sure have a lot of law enforcement!

GhostZ > thebigbossyboss 06/17/2014 at 13:24

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There is nowhere that doesn't have a state force. Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI does not do enforcement per say like a police force. They do investigation, which is a subset of enforcement . This is finding evidence, convicting criminals, and setting up operations to stop federal crime, which is crime that occurs beyond the jurisdiction of a single state.

Basically, the acquire evidence and investigate the details of crimes that occur federally, meaning across multiple states. The purpose behind the FBI was, originally, to form a body of investigators that could track criminals across the whole country. It came into power in the 30s with J. Edgar Hoover behind it because of the work of John Dillinger and a few other major criminals at that time: they would often get away with crimes because each state's police force wasn't communicating with the nearby states. Once they got over state lines (which they did using prohibition-era hot rods) the investigation of their crimes would have to start all over again, since the previous state police couldn't jump in and convict them in this state without going through some legal gray zones.

thebigbossyboss > GhostZ 06/17/2014 at 13:26

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Oh okay. This is quite different than I had imagined. In my country only 3/13 jurisdictions have "state" level forces.

GhostZ > thebigbossyboss 06/17/2014 at 13:30

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Since about 1930, the US was a loose group of states with their own laws but a unified army. It wasn't until post-1930 that we had a strong federal legal enforcement, a unified financial system (we didn't even have a unified currency for most of the 1800s). So state law is very strong and present. Part of that comes from the fact that unlike most countries, the US wasn't a large country that subdivided into jurisdiction, but was a group of "countries" (mostly companies who owned lots of land) who came together and unified their army and leadership, but maintained autonomy.

ranwhenparked > thebigbossyboss 06/17/2014 at 19:22

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No, they're an internal intelligence and investigative service for crimes that have federal level jurisdiction. Not sure where you're from, but in the UK, MI5 would be the direct equivalent.

The FBI Police is their uniformed division that protects/secures their own facilities, like their J. Edgar Hoover headquarters in Washington and their National Academy in Quantico. Most federal agencies actually have their own law enforcement arms for that purpose.